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02 March, 2006

Ben & Jerry's Black & Tan Ice Cream

Ben & Jerry's Black & Tan Ice CreamThe folks at Ben & Jerry's Ice Cream have launched a new ice cream flavor just in time for St. Patrick's Day, "Black & Tan".

The frozen treat combines real cream stout (the non-alcoholic kind), swirled in with with chocolate ice cream, and topped off with a foamy stout ice cream head, perhaps giving a new meaning to the term, "Mother's Milk".

Ben & Jerry's Brewmaster, John Shaffer, says they searched far and wide for the perfect ingredient that meets the authentic flavor of a European stout beer. I didn't know Ben & Jerry's had a brewmaster!

If you'd like to sample a pint of BJ's new brew, they should be in stores right now.

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a Volunteer said...

I have written to Ben & Jerry's that the unfortunate name of Black and Tans reminds Irish immigrants of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, which was used by the brutish British Empire to repress the Irish in their own land and was known as the Black and Tans.
Look up "Come Out Ye Black and Tans", a song on the subject.

Steve on 3/02/2006 09:50:00 PM said...

Volunteer, I seriously debated that very subject while writing this piece, particularly using the named "Black & Tan" to celebrate a day of Irish heritage.

My wife's ancestry is Irish, and her grandfather had run-ins with the Black & Tan, with moments where they killed one of his friends, and took liberties with one of his sisters.

But I opted to overlook it for the fact that the name Black & Tan is more often known for the drink, than it is for the suffering of Irish people, at least here in the USA anyways. But you have a very good point.

Anonymous said...

Steve, I'm betting that the folks at Ben & Jerry's were thinking like you... more of the popular drink, rather than the suffering of the Irish. In fact, I'm guessing that they probably have Irish people working there. Just a note on the original post, I think it's only available at the Shaw's in Waterbury, VT for at least the next week. I heard 2 for $3 to celebrate their Grand Opening!

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe the ridiculousness of this comment.
" have written to Ben & Jerry's that the unfortunate name of Black and Tans reminds Irish immigrants of the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force, which was used by the brutish British Empire to repress the Irish in their own land and was known as the Black and Tans.
Look up "Come Out Ye Black and Tans", a song on the subject."
I am second generation American - my grandparents immigrated from Ireland. I take absoloutly no offense at the name of an ICE CREAM flavor, just as I take no offense at the guiness/bass drink Black and Tan. It is people like you who keep racial tensions going, who keep argument for the sake of argument a reality.
Words are words. There are only so many in the english language and many things share common names.
You have two choices. Enjoy ice cream or make ice cream into a political and moral dilemma.
For St. Paddy's sake, man, go out and get yourself some rocky road! Oh, wait...that might offend someone who immigrated from somewhere where the roads ARE rocky...
*eye roll*

Anonymous said...

To the person who left the anonymous comment on the 16th March. Being what ever generation Irish that you said you are i wouldnt expect you to understand how strongly Irish people feel on this subject. I am Irish and have lived in Dublin all my life. I have family that fought against the black & tans... and who died in the 1916 Rising. A little tackt goes along way, are you telling me if Ben & Jeerys launched a new Ice Cream called September 11th not one American person would be offended. Some people feel very strongly about there heritage, especially Irish people because we fought so hard for what we now have and the reason this wond is still pretty raw with alot of irish people is because this is still an issue in Northern Ireland. Life has moved on and grudges lost thank god but Irish people are still very proud of the men that fought for us! So thats the reason for thinking this new peoduct is in bad taste.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe that Ben and Jerry's would be so insensitive to call an ice cream such a name and to launch it as a celebration of Irishness ...it's an insult!

I hope they don't try to launch it here in Ireland or I imagine they'll loose a lot of their fans!

Anonymous said...

In response to the comment that reads:

Just a note on the original post, I think it's only available at the Shaw's in Waterbury, VT for at least the next week.

... I bought Black & Tan in Brooklyn, so it seems like it's available throughout the US. Ben and Jerry's has a "flavor locator" on their web site in which you can select a product and enter your location, and it will generate a list of stores that carry that product.

Brian on 4/20/2006 08:42:00 PM said...

I bought some in Los Angeles and it's really delicious!! I was amazed at how close they were able to approximate the flavor of a good stout.

A NĂ­ Fhaolain said...

I've just found out from a newspaper article here that Ben & Jerry's have created this ice cream. Really offended that a company whose mission statement is that they operate "in a manner that commands deep respect for individuals in and outside the company and supports the communities of which they are a part' be so totally insensitive to a period of history which is still part of living memory in Ireland. I'm Irish and am offended. The Black & Tan's were a group of undisciplined troops that even Churchill acknowledged were taking reprisals on innocent civilians unauthorised. And he had to disband them eventually. The arguments that 'second generation Americans...take no offense' isn't the point. Read your history then decide whether calling an ice cream after this hated group is a good idea. What next 'Nuts & Nazis'?

Simon on 4/21/2006 10:32:00 AM said...

Ben and Jerry's have released a press release apologising for it.

I have to say it is very funny. Just seems like such an american thing to do.

Wait till they have the Siege of Cerry flavour
or Orange March Sorbet

Anonymous said...

Oh, sure. Ben & Jerry's is notoriously anti-Irish. All you have to do is unscramble the names of many of their other flavors of ice cream and see how they hate. Everyone knows that. Cherry Garcia, unscrambled and with simple letter substitution really says 'screw the potato eaters' and they don't mean the Van Gogh painting.

Anonymous said...

I hear they chop up little Irish kids and put them in the ice cream. Well, that's what my wife's great grammy said and she should know because she was from Ireland and that gives her the right to decide what anyone has to be thinking when they make any Irish reference.

Anonymous said...

Named after a drink that's very popular in the States (try one - if you don't like it, try another!). As for "what if they named it Sept 11th or Nuts and Nazis" - I haven't tried those drinks...

Anonymous said...

Black and Tan is a great beer.... who gives a crap about the irish anyways... everyone whines about something :P

Anonymous said...

Puhleeease! People, people. I understand national pride and respecting the history of really awful times, but this is so unbelievable. Find something else to get upset about! It's an ice cream flavor. It's also been the name of an alcoholic drink for years -- Have I seen the Irish people protesting at bars and pubs against this? No. Before you complain about the ice cream name, go to your local bar and give them hell if you're so upset about it.

Anonymous said...

Come on people!!! Ben & Jerry's released a product named after a drink combination. Period. Now in retrospect they find out it also has negative connotations, and they apologize. Give them a break! Accept their apology and move on to more important issues. It's not like they called it Nazi Euphoria or Terrorist Cherry Car Bomb. It's two colors, named after a world famous drink. Jeese....

Anonymous said...

The Black & Tan is has been the name of a delicious drink for a long time. Even Irish drink it. Do you think ANYONE at Ben & Jerry's, in VT, USA knows anything about Irish history from the early part or LAST century? And why should they care? This is named after the drink!! You never hear people complaining about the name of that? You complainers are too damn sensitive.

Anonymous said...

Excuse me, but Black and Tan is a popular beer here in the states. It seems to me that people are too easily offended. I'm sure B and J meant no disrespect. I'm of Irish heritage and I would certainly buy this product. PC has gone too far.

Anonymous said...

Anyone that take's offense to the name of "Black & Tan" ice cream, is a self absorbed, MORON that has nothing better to do than worry about what happened in the 1920's. Get over yourself..........I can't believe this made news, I can't believe Ben & Jerry apologized, I can't BELIEVE any idiot would have an issue or make this news. Truly UNBELIEVABLE.....

Anonymous said...

The problem with this world is 0.0001% of the population has to whine and complain about everything and ruins it for the rest of us. If you don't like the name, then don't eat their ice cream. B&J named it after a very popular beer combination and has nothing to do with British or Irish. It's a beer flavored ice cream and doesn't taste like potatoes.

Anonymous said...

Just a note: the Black & Tan drink was created to be sly twist on the name of the RUC thugs. Being made by first pouring an English beer (Bass) and then an Irish beer (Guinness), the bartender preparing a Black & Tan can ensure that the Irish always end up on top.

That is all. Resume sniping.

Anonymous said...

I can not stand PC idiots. This is obviously named after the drink, not the militia. Everything that is going on in the world today, and people find the time to protest about this? Get a life! I mean that sincerely. Get a life..

Anonymous said...

I CANNOT believe that anyone would actually have the stupidity to believe this ice cream has anything to do with the British Army, I have been to Ireland & they also call the drink "Black & Tan" so does that mean you're referencing the same thing?

Anonymous said...

Funny.. The drink is socially acceptable but the ice cream isn't..

Sounds like people need to get over themselves or this is a stunt for bad press by a competitor? haha..

Anonymous said...

You are silly folks. This is ice cream. The drink "black and tan" is made with two Irish beers-- Guinness Stout and Harp Ale ... and they market the drink too-- is St. James' Brewery anti-Irish?
Maybe next they will come out with a flavor called "Irish Car Bomb"-- that would be the taste of Guinness with a shot of Jameson and Bailey's dropped in the middle ... then the British can kvetch. Get a spoon and shut up.

azcowboy on 4/21/2006 01:16:00 PM said...

Volunteer.......You make a pretty broad statement there, do you mean to insinuate that you speak for all Irish immigrants? How about the Japaneese immigrants, did you write to the makers of the Atomic Fireball and voice your comments about the detrimental effect of the word "Atomic" to that group? How about writing to Exxon and Shell and complain about the word "Gas" and how it affects the Jewish community?

Get a life..........

KidHollywood on 4/21/2006 01:29:00 PM said...

Did you get upset for Mexican Virgins when CHERRY GARCIA came out on the Market? Get a GRIP people.

Theres PC and then there just plain over-sensitive stupidity.

Barry said...

I agree. It's based on the Black and Tan beer drink, you feckin ejits!

To the anonymous poster on April 4, nice to throw out the 9/11 bomb. Asshole. You can and should be proud of the men who fought for you and the Brits should be ashamed of the Black and Tans, but come on, that was 90 years ago.

And is anyone mad at Guiness and Bass for marketing the Black and Tan Stout/Ale drink (which you can buy anywhere in Ireland)? If anything you should be grinding your axe with them, hippies.

Anonymous said...

Relax all - its silly to get worked up over the name. I'm Irish, many of my friends in the US are Irish and none of us are upset.
For those of you of Irish Heritage, i.e. not Irish birth, maybe take your cues from those of us born there and take a mouthful of ice cream and chill ....

Anonymous said...

Quote:

"To the person who left the anonymous comment on the 16th March. Being what ever generation Irish that you said you are i wouldnt expect you to understand how strongly Irish people feel on this subject. I am Irish and have lived in Dublin all my life. I have family that fought against the black & tans... and who died in the 1916 Rising. A little tackt goes along way, are you telling me if Ben & Jeerys launched a new Ice Cream called September 11th not one American person would be offended. Some people feel very strongly about there heritage, especially Irish people because we fought so hard for what we now have and the reason this wond is still pretty raw with alot of irish people is because this is still an issue in Northern Ireland. Life has moved on and grudges lost thank god but Irish people are still very proud of the men that fought for us! So thats the reason for thinking this new peoduct is in bad taste."

The era of the Black and Tan in Ireland was 86 years ago. 911 was only 5.
Besides, the British police were sent to quell domestic uprisings, albeit, they did it poorly. 911 was an act of cowardly terrorists who kill thousands of people in less than a day.

Comparing the two is like comparing an apple to an orchard.

Anonymous said...

You fat fucks need to get the sand out of your pussies and get over this political correct bullshit!

Anonymous said...

First, there IS a drink called the Irish Car Bomb!

http://www.drinknation.com/drink/Irish-Car-Bomb

http://www.sotallytober.com/bar/drink.php?ID=9821

Second, I live in Chicago, probably one of the most Irish cities outside Ireland. Both my parents, and many of their friends, are Irish. And I've never heard anyone object to (the alcoholic drinks called) the Black & Tan or the Irish Car Bomb.

Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar!

Sinn Fein said...

Well hell. I came here to put in my 2 censt regarding the "Black and Tan" uproar, but most seem to have said it all.

I agree with the poster who said it was a shame that B and J apologized for the affront. Clearly it was coincidental and I am wagering that the company never gave a thought to its causing umbrage, considering the ice cream is based on a beer combo and not early 20th century British militia.

If the Irish as a whole (and I suspect it is a very small minority) are truly put off with this-they have just affirmed the legendary rumor they lack any real capacity for sensible thought and intellect.

Anonymous said...

I would think the image of the beer behind the words 'black & tan' would be a pretty strong giveaway as to what Ben & Jerry's was thinking of when they named this.....

Anonymous said...

what the fuck... over...

JTB said...

The very first post here is all you need to read, if you read it closely enough. Obviously, it's someone who is NOT Irish, yet claims they are speaking for them. If anyone here knows someone who IS Irish, you don't need to be told that they can speak quite readily on their own behalf--especially after a few Black and Tans! "a volunteer" is obviously a bleeding heart, liberal, PC git that has more time to do the most cursory research on the web than friends to take him or her to an Irish pub for a pint. Wanker.

Anonymous said...

In the interest of being PC, I feel that all companies that market any product anywhere should do a worldwide search for any word or phrase that might be objectionable to anyone. With that in mind, they need to cease marketing anything with the words "Black" - might offend African-Americans, "Blue" - might offend any druids, "Yellow" - connotations of cowardice, "White" - how racist can you get?, "Red" - possible communist connections, "Pink" - maybe meant to offend gays?, "Green" - can't promote a political agenda, can we. My point is that someone somewhere will find anything offensive, so I guess in the interest of political correctness, we need to just quit communicating with anyone else - oh, but that attitude isn't really PC is it? At some point in time, people have to 'get over it'. Remembering the sins of the past isn't a bad thing, it should help us prevent repeating them, but we should not wallow around with them.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to point out that Guinness floats to the top because it's less dense, not because it's poured second. Dumbass.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to point out that Guinness floats to the top because it's less dense, not because it's poured second. Dumbass.

Anonymous said...

And the Nazis had the "Brown Shirts' so we should then do away with Brown Shirts? Come on now, do not empower those that would use words or slogans to get at you so easy. It is what it is.

Anonymous said...

OK,this is getting way out of hand. I mean, just because they used a couple of color's for the name of there ice cream does'nt mean that they're trying to make people mad or offended. Just because they named there ice cream "black cherry" doesn't mean its just for black's or not for black's. IT'S JUST A NAME!!!
If they wanted to offend someone then they should have put HOLOCAUST SUNDAY on ther're ice cream. I mean you can't please everyone.Not that I'm saying that they should be entirely careless but come on! I could cite several things that offend me but no one would care because people in the past that were white didn't get enslaved!(though they did)So don't make a big deal about it!It's not like it's going on right now.It's done and over with!

Anonymous said...

This is the biggest bunch of horseshit and PC garbage I have ever seen in my life, and it deserved no apology. Some people feel they have an entitlement to bitch about every little thing. Seriously, IT'S ICE CREAM!!!! My ancestors are Irish, big f'n deal. When I'm in a bar, I don't jump all over the bartender for making irish car bombs. I'm half German, I don't take offense at someone ordering a "screaming nazi". You people are what's wrong with this damn stupid litiguous society, and you continue to feed it.

Anonymous said...

No normal person in America has a clue about the Black & Tan "Brutes" in Ireland. We know of it as a mix of beers. Get a life those who are upset. Drink a beer and relax.

Anonymous said...

So, does it taste good, or what? That's what I came to find out. I like ice cream. I like B & J's ice cream. I like beer. I like Black & Tans. Sounds like an interesting combo.

You can get offended by anything if you want to. The one guy said it best... until you picket every bar in the country (and all the ones in IRELAND) to stop making Black & Tan drinks, which must also invoke such painful memories, stop this shit.

biglad said...

It's hilarious. I expect nothing less from multinationals, and love it when they put their foot in it.


"The Black & Tan is has been the name of a delicious drink for a long time. Even Irish drink it."

Ehhhhhhhhhh.
No we don't.
Never heard of it.


Eejit.

Anonymous said...

I'm Irish (i.e. I was born there- I'm not second or third generation as many others who claim to be irish are). I'm currently living in the US. "black and tan" as a drink is not normally served in Ireland. I find both the drink and the ice cream being named 'black and tan' very insulting and insensitive. My granduncle was killed by the black and tans.

Anonymous said...

like most of us here, and probably the majority of the educated world. i was not offended. i mean come on people! i actually laughed and forwarded this to my irish friends to see what they thought. b and j's 99.99999999999% were naming it after the drink. trying to pin the blame, by using other incidents that have no other connotations is asinie and just plain dumb. that's why this world will never have any sort of peace. someone will always hate someone else. when you understand this, you'll be better off and just ignore most people.

Anonymous said...

If you take offense to this.... better stop all the american bars from serving a "black & tan". (good luck at that). Also.... why don't you write Yuengling and have them cancel their "black & tan" beer? It does not matter what you name a product, someone, somewhere will get upset. People, wake up. If an ICE CREAM NAME offends you... seek counseling and do the rest of us a favor.

Anonymous said...

Any chance B&J can send it over to Ulster for the 12th July, would be nice to have on that day.

Dread Pirate Robert on 4/21/2006 04:01:00 PM said...

"And the Nazis had the "Brown Shirts' so we should then do away with Brown Shirts?"

I just wrote a nasty letter to UPS.

azcowboy on 4/21/2006 04:01:00 PM said...

To all concerned citizens,
Jerry and I have decided to shut down our business, send all capital recieved to the bleeding hearts society and move to Costa Rica to avoid the obvious riots that will ensue from this discussion.
Thanks for the support thru the years.

Ben

Me on 4/21/2006 04:29:00 PM said...

Thank you, all you stupid PC-ers. Yet again, you've shown how your liberal-headed small-mindedness has ruined our wonderful nation. Yet again, you've shown how just how pathetic you are for having nothing bigger to bitch about than some ice cream. GROW UP!!

Anonymous said...

Try a google search for "black and tan". What is the first entry? Gee, isn't that a page sponsored by the national beer of Ireland?
I AM a bleeding heart liberal, but even I have SOME sense. This is nothing to protest about.

Anonymous said...

Quote: "A little tackt goes along way, are you telling me if Ben & Jeerys launched a new Ice Cream called September 11th not one American person would be offended."

If September 11th were a drink I can order at a bar, then probably not. But, a black and tan has never been an army to me, it's always been a Guinness and Bass or another tan beer. Go to a bar and order a black and tan and see what they get you. I don't see Irishmen complaining about that now, do I?

Anonymous said...

I can understand how the Irish would be upset, but yet there is that drink called the Black & Tan --- why dont they attack that also?

A polite note to ben or jerry would probably suffice. These are very good people.

www.what-a-world.com

Anonymous said...

listen you american wankers have no idea of life outside your own little country. you think that everyone should listen to the great Uncle Sam...BULLSHIT..you are a bunch of self obssesed tossers...stop sticking your fucking nose into other peoples business and let the world get on with there lives..as for the ice cream name would you like a Twin Towers Cherry Explosion or a Oklahoma Orange Suprise no so FUCK OFF...

Anonymous said...

i'm sure that ben and jerry's were DEFINITELY referring to the century-old obscure British militia when they released this flavor. HEY! did you know that when they released "One Sweet Whirled" it was actually a reference to a Chinese, neo-Dharmic cult? Hey retard, get a life and stop taking offense to nothing.

Anonymous said...

not british you tit..not taking offence..just hate you yank fucks

Anonymous said...

Pure ignorance. I ordered a black and tan in England once on a work stint while with an Irish fellow. He was kind enough to enlighten me on the Black and Tans instead of kicking my ass.

Anonymous said...

This is all bullshit.

Guinness (an Irish staple, right?) is the black in a black and tan beer.

Black and tan is no longer relevant as a militia. You should get offended that there is a drink involving an Irish beer called black and tan first.

I, nor 99.9% of the entire United States population (the only place they're selling this stuff) has no idea about any black and tan militia, but do drink black and tan beers. Relevance, anybody?

Anonymous said...

This is ICE CREAM not some political statement. Grow up-get a life. If this is all you can find to bitch about, maybe you should read the news more than once a year.

This is a pathetic examplpe of how intolerant the world has become...i worry for the future.

tonya on 4/21/2006 05:38:00 PM said...

oh my god, I cannot believe some people have nothing better to do than complain about the name of an ice cream. Black and Tan.. there are dogs called black and tan.. is that an insult to anyone?? Get over it. So how is anyone in 2006 supposed to know about or even remember something that happened in the 1920's? This is just so ridiculous, and for anyone to even suggest that Ben and Jerry's did this INTENTIONALLY... it's just plain stupid, you should all be ashamed! Oh, and get a life

Anonymous said...

It's a color and not a political statement and yes I am Irish and I am an adult and this is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

It's pretty clear that B & J public relations picked this name to stir up controversy; nothing sells better then a bit of publicity, good or bad, for whatever reason! I'm sure they seeded a few irate Irishmen just to get things started. :)

We are SOOOO sorry.

Anonymous said...

why worry about the future..if it doesnt agree with the american way of life...BOMB THE FUCK out of it..it has served you well up till now..what gives you the right to decide any countries fate....FUCKING WANKERS HOPE OSAMA KICKS YOUR FUCKING ASS....

Anonymous said...

Get a fu@kin life!!! It's ice crean based on a beer, not a poke a irish people!! Wow people need to find more to do with there time than post stupid sh@t on message boards.

Anonymous said...

Is this whole debate for real? Let's look at the facts, I don't give a damn if your Irish or Swedish. 1st, they are NOT EVEN SELLING THIS PRODUCT IN IRELAND, so work on getting a life if this is how you waste your time. 2. We have been drinking "Black and Tans" in the US for years and Ireland has as well. Why isn't that bothering anyone? Did anyone even mention that the Ice Cream has a beer taste to it? What would that tell you about what they were thinking when they named it. This is not a political action statement so let' all dry our eyes, and get a grip, all together now...

Anonymous said...

"It's and insult"

Get a life people. You put way to much thought into being stupid. Let it come naturally.

Anonymous said...

How come every time I order a "Black & Tan" the bartender puts a shamrock pattern on the top?

Anonymous said...

Let me just start out by saying there is freedom of speech in this world for a reason...so people can voice their opinion and resolve conflict by compromise and seeing others points of view. I have no connection, personally, to any Irish conflicts nor have I heard of the Black and Tan drink that Ben and Jerrys names their ice cream after (I have heard of the Irish Car Bomb, though, and rather enjoy it, actually). In fact, the first thing that came to my mind was the hound dog, the black and tan. I understand that people could be upset about offense that they feel may have been brought up, but isn't it better to argue and think about bigger problems than the name of an ice cream?

Anonymous said...

Somebody on this post claims that irish people drink black and tans. TO ALL OF MY AMERICAN FRIENDS WHO ENJOY THIS DRINK, IRISH PEOPLE DO NOT DRINK BLACK AND TANS. Black and Tans are an American drink served in American bars to an unsuspecting public as to the origins of its name.

Personally, I blame Irish bars in America who are the ones responsible for 'turning a blind eye' to the real history of this name.

Anonymous said...

LIKE I SAID IF SOMEONE MADE A TWIN TOWERS CHERRY EXPLOSION WOULD YOU LIKE IT.........

Anonymous said...

"LIKE I SAID IF SOMEONE MADE A TWIN TOWERS CHERRY EXPLOSION WOULD YOU LIKE IT........."

yes... just as much as I love your slutty mother every night. Get a life wanker.

Anonymous said...

To whom ever wrote the following at the bottom:

When will you Euros understand that the general american public has nothing to do with what the messed up government does?? You think we want to stick our noses where it doesn't belong?? NO. If everyone hates the US so much why do they buy our products and want to live here???


listen you american wankers have no idea of life outside your own little country. you think that everyone should listen to the great Uncle Sam...BULLSHIT..you are a bunch of self obssesed tossers...stop sticking your fucking nose into other peoples business and let the world get on with there lives..as for the ice cream name would you like a Twin Towers Cherry Explosion or a Oklahoma Orange Suprise no so FUCK OFF...

By Anonymous, at 4/21/2006 05:10:20 PM

Anonymous said...

i have a life unlike those at 9/11 you fuckin cock sucker

Anonymous said...

"i have a life unlike those at 9/11 you fuckin cock sucker"

Your momma is the true cock sucker. You are probably one of my kids son.

Anonymous said...

There are even porn movies that have the term "twin towers" in them yet I am not offended by the use of teh term in both places. get over it people, intersections of culture will happen; funny thing is if the "offending" even occured here in the USA involving some "minority" group, I bet we would see Jesse Jackson, the ACLU and prolly even one of the other fringe group leaders up in arms on fighting corporate amera's greed. get over yourslef and move on with life.

Anonymous said...

i wrote it and yes we do embrace some of your customs but i dont want to be one of the great american knob heads that follow the great dubya (Senior or Junior)into a war that aint theres....

Anonymous said...

For anyone to assume that B&J's intended any insentivity is unimaginable. But, I guess I'll no longer be able to call my dachshund a black and tan either. Get a life everyone, on both sides of the pond- we're talking about ice cream here. Does anyone honestly think . . . ah hell, no one thinks anymore.

king0rentals on 4/21/2006 06:00:00 PM said...

first of all - until I read the news article, I didn't even know there was such a place to talk about junkfood. It would have been a great place for the cast members of the movie, FATSO, to check the new stuff that would eventually kill them.

Anyway, with that said, this is crazy. Think of it this way, you are offended by the name of an Ice cream, but I have had more than a few drinks with some very proud Irishmen, and I gotta tell you, the drink of choice, is usually an "IRISH CAR BOMB" - Go figure.

People - GET A LIFE!!!!

Anonymous said...

It is just the name of an ice cream. Does a company have to research every little thing they do to see if it is "offensive" to anyone. These days, it only takes one person to be offensive to have people jumping around with their panties in a twist. I Irish and know about Black and Tan but I first thought of the drink.When will the madness stop. If you don't like the name, don't buy it.

BTW I am watching Lady and the Tramp with my daughter and I can't believe that Disney would be so insenitive to call a female dog a "tramp" I think they had an underlying motive:)

Get ready because if any of you plant flowers called "pansies", mark my words they will have to rename the plant because it will offend a small group.

Anonymous said...

come on dad dont be like that....just want to put my point across thats all

Anonymous said...

At least they apologized. Can we drop this now?

Anonymous said...

I'm Irish and have lived in Limerick for 47 years. We all know about the Black & Tans, every school boy & girl are taught about it from the earliest age possible. But really, who really believes that Ben & Jerry named their ice cream "Black & Tan" with any intention of offending ANYONE, much less we Irish? It was named after a drink! Are we to stop drinking black & tans too now? Come on, get a life! This is much ado about nothing!

Big Jim Slade said...

I can't believe that no one has taken issue with the flavor "Dublin Mudslide". This, of course, was slang terminology the British troops used for when they would knock an Irishmen unconscious with the butt end of their rifles and then proceed to take turns wiping their bottoms on the Irishmen's face.

Anonymous said...

I'll have to say that I love ben and jerry's and being of hispanic origin, if they had a flavor called "Angry Spic Killer" I'd buy it. It must taste great if it is made by B&j's. At least they are cow friendly. Isn't that all that really matters?

Anonymous said...

I read the news just now and looked up this blog for fatties that speka of junk food. How stupid are you? OK the name may have a negative vibe to some people. The problem is that most people relate black and tan to the freaking drink. Call us uneducated, but I beleive they had this name for the drink at bars for wuite some time. Actually, Yengueing has a "Black and Tan" beer, right on the label. Go sue them you ignorant a-hole.

Sean O'Dean said...

One of these anonymous folk said, "Life has moved on and grudges lost thank god but Irish people are still very proud of the men that fought for us! So thats the reason for thinking this new peoduct is in bad taste." I submit that life has not moved on in Ireland and that grudges have not been lost. That is why some Irish people are so raw-sensitive about what they perceive as insults, intended or not, and why they are still killing each other. Take a step into the 21st century, practice tolerance and forgiveness, and leave the past behind. Sean O'Dean

Anonymous said...

Get over it everyone. Black and tan is also a mix of Guinness and Harp, and that's what B&Js intended.

Anonymous said...

All those people that take offense to this new ice cream flavor are fucking idiots. I can tell you 100% that Ben & Jerry didn't make this ice cream in attempt to hurt all you overly sensative assholes. It really makes sense for one of the most successful ice cream producers to attack the irish by stabbing at their tragic history. It's obviously a mistake they were reffering more to the drink. "Black" and "Tan" are two colors. Naming an ice cream after two colors is not offensive. "twin tower cherry explosion" or whatever your are calling your new flavor is singling out a particular tragedy which obviously would be offensive. I am Irish and could care less. Shit, if all you dumbasses take such an offense to it maybe ben & jerry should of just named it kill all the dumb fucking Irish. You probably would of taken it under the same context. Lighten up and stop being so "politcally correct" your the reason the world is what it is today. What's next a group of people rallying against the word "oven" because jewish people decided to start taking offense to it. Come on people! It's just a friggen ice cream flavor! People that bitch about this kind of stuff are the kind of people that bitch about everything. If you stop bitching about everything you'll be amazed all the spare time you'll have.

Anonymous said...

Let us just pull all food off of store shelves, better yet, get rid of all labeling for food as it may have a different meaning somewhere, by someone on this planet, and they may get offended by it. Good grief, some people have nothing better to do than to try to find something to complain about.

Anonymous said...

Anyone offended by the name of an ice cream flavor needs to get a life.

Anonymous said...

Get the F--k over it. If anyone has any right to complain about anything its the American Indians, all you Europeans stole their land raped their women and stuck them in swamps. Get me a B&T and I'll eat it any day.

Anonymous said...

I cannot believe the BS over the "Black and Tan" name. You Irish who are "offended" need to GROW UP and MOVE ON. The "Black and Tan" you refer to existed almost 100 years ago and before you attack me let me say that my name is Callahan and my grandfather came from Ireland. I support your drive to get rid of the British but I do not support the killing between Catholics and Prodestants. GROW UP if you want to be taken seriously!

kelly on 4/21/2006 06:34:00 PM said...

Here's the deal:
The Black and Tans were a butish, violent British force in Ireland. For whatever reason, a drink was named after them. Many Americans, who are taught little about the history of other countries, think of this drink when they hear the phrase.
B & J named their ice cream after the drink, because drink is the American way to celebrate St. Patrick's Day. They, like many, were ignorant about the true meaning of Black and Tan and probably horrified once they found out and being a socially conscious company, they quickly apologized.

Good for them. Black and Tan shouldn't be the name of an ice cream, nor should it be the name of a drink. Maybe we should call a mix of Guiness and Bass a Ben and Jerry's.

Anonymous said...

Irish are basically white Arabs, with their "blow shit up" mentallity. If you dickheads had a military like ours, youd be asserting your opinion in foreign affairs too. Its Iran next, but then its off to Ireland to shut you bastards up for good.

Themblues on 4/21/2006 06:36:00 PM said...

I really don't have the words to describe how ridiculous this argument is! I was eating Black and Tans at sundae shops when I was a kid. I'm sure that every product manufacturer knows the ENTIRE history of EVERY country on the planet. I swear, the PC movement is making me nausious. Wait as far as I know, guiness promotes Black and Tans. They even have the little spoons to make them attached to every tap I've ever seen. Any Irish folk care to comment on that? See here: http://www.ivo.se/guinness/bnt.html

Anonymous said...

Irish Need Not Apply. Go eat a potato, Red.

Anonymous said...

Do you honestly think that most Americans in the year 2006 have heard of a militant birtish group from the 1920's called Black and Tan? Give me a break! And if you knew anything at all about Ben & Jerry's as a company, you would realize that offending anyone over the name of an ice cream flavor is not a choice that they would knowingly and willingly make.

Anonymous said...

I never know how stupid Irish people were till i started reading this blog. Thanks all you Irish, next time i take a history test any question that involves the Irish nationality, the answer has to be either "bitch" or"moan"

Anonymous said...

Don't these other silly little countries understand that we don't give a fuck about their unimportant ancient history and what happens in the USA isn't mean't to influence their idiotic local stupidities in any manner whatsoever?

tiggersbud said...

hmmmm, nuts and nazi's, good one. as a person of german heritage, i think i would prefer "nazi nuts". or as a person of german heritage, should i be offended? now, i have seen this discussion go from ice cream to war and finally see the connection.....
brain freeze!!!!! oops, i said brain. i sure hope i haven't offended the neurologically impaired. (uh, that would be most of the posters here, ok, me included for getting sucked into this...........but it's been fun, it's raining here and i can't go ride my motorcycle therefore i have been surfing the net, do they still call it that? and i found this article about ben and jerry having to aplogize for something that i didn't get and it led me here and i can't believe i stepped into junk food heaven and then followed the link to the motorcycle blog, uh, whats a blog, and i had to take issue, steve, with the harley discussion cause i truely believe that no matter what bike ya ride, it's still the same wind in your face, unless you are riding without a windshield and even though it looks better without the windshield, it rides better with one, but i ride an yamaha v-star 1100 and, uh, what was the subject. gotta go take my ritalin now.......
have a wonderful friday.........

oh, and what's a wanker???????

Anonymous said...

This is the funniest dialog I have ever seen in my life.

Truly, if there are extraterrestrial beings out there, I just *know* they're monitoring this debate and telling each other, "time to be moving on...clearly, there's no intelligent life down here!"

ROTFLMAO

Anonymous said...

First and most importantly ice cream and beer should not be mixed.
Second to anonymus who "hates yank wankers" and "hopes Osama kicks our butts" feel free to hate us but remember the dead Spanish bombed by the likes of Osama.He is out to get any non Muslim including both the non wanking and wanking Irish.
Third bring back Fudge Mocha.

Anonymous said...

I am of Irish ancestry and the way some of the so called Irish people here are acting is stupid. Do you also plan to write to the beer company that has a beer called "Black & Tan". All your doing is whining and crying over something that happened in the 1920's. Do you hear everyone complaining and whining about the IRA (Cowards) in northern Ireland. Who are as bad as every other terrorist in the world... NO, YOU DON'T!!!!! So GROWN UP and quit your complaining!!!!

ThisIsPathetic on 4/21/2006 06:55:00 PM said...

All of this stuff is hilarious! I should write to B & J's for appologizing to this idiot. And to all of the Irish people that are writing on here about 9/11 and such, and saying how we dont know about life outside of the U.S..We don't care about you, because all you are known for is drinking..you should be very proud of that! We live in a "what have you done for me lately world" and quite frankly, what has your country ever done for us?" And also to the person that said bomb the u.s.? Your dumb drunk ass wouldn't be typing on here if it wasn't for a fucking american who founded microsoft asshole! Stop using our products! I live in the U.S. and can't stand some of the stuff our government pulls, so don't even respond to this with some Anti-american bull crap..You foreigners cry and cry, saying all of this shit about the U.S., then when something happens to your pathetic country, you come crying to us to help solve your problems, just like every other country does. Stop whining about a friggin Ice Cream...And start worrying about other things! My great grandmother was full blooded cherokee indian, but do I care that they call the baseball team the Cleveland Indians, or the Drink Cherokee Red, obviously they are talking about my reddish color skin! This world is becoming to politically correct. Might as well stop brand naming things.

ThisIsPathetic on 4/21/2006 06:56:00 PM said...

All of this stuff is hilarious! I should write to B & J's for appologizing to this idiot. And to all of the Irish people that are writing on here about 9/11 and such, and saying how we dont know about life outside of the U.S..We don't care about you, because all you are known for is drinking..you should be very proud of that! We live in a "what have you done for me lately world" and quite frankly, what has your country ever done for us?" And also to the person that said bomb the u.s.? Your dumb drunk ass wouldn't be typing on here if it wasn't for a fucking american who founded microsoft asshole! Stop using our products! I live in the U.S. and can't stand some of the stuff our government pulls, so don't even respond to this with some Anti-american bull crap..You foreigners cry and cry, saying all of this shit about the U.S., then when something happens to your pathetic country, you come crying to us to help solve your problems, just like every other country does. Stop whining about a friggin Ice Cream...And start worrying about other things! My great grandmother was full blooded cherokee indian, but do I care that they call the baseball team the Cleveland Indians, or the Drink Cherokee Red, obviously they are talking about my reddish color skin! This world is becoming to politically correct. Might as well stop brand naming things.

Anonymous said...

are you peolple serious? The ice cream is names after a DRINK. Black and tan is a very popular drink in the US. What would the motivation be to name ice cream after a some irish group who tormented people? Hmmmm...good marketing ploy. I love how people think everything is discrimitory......from this point forward i am boycotting WHITE chocolate, white milk, and white rice. Im offended. Now go have yourself an "irish carbomb" and fugetttaboutitt...

Anonymous said...

Maybe I missed this..but the 'Black in Tan' drink that we have here in the US was called a 'Half-n-Half' when I last visited Ireland and the UK...

Anonymous said...

BTW...the ice cream really does taste good. Check it out some time.

Anonymous said...

All the Irish people that are bitching about an ice cream flavor are borederline retarded!

Anonymous said...

ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS, i'm irish and i take no offense, it's named after a drink, and guess what, i had a black and tan on st. patty's, i guess they have been eating too much meat with mad cow and are retarded now, find something with actual important to whine about, you make me embarressed to be irish.

Anonymous said...

The only thing I have to say is that both sides are right. Yes being Ben and Jerry's is and international product they should have looked beyond the scoop of the United States, but they only though of the Drink when coming up with the Ice cream, and really did not have any intention of offending anyone. Weather your American or Irish you should be able to understand that....I am Irish by the way....

Anonymous said...

ok may the first person who never said a slur of any kind about any race, color or creed throw the first carton of ice cream!

00 chin abrin said...

Hmmm...troubling...threating...opportunistic....If your mind was a hardrive such as that on the computer your typing, you can pretty much do anything, such as delete, erase, save, move, copy, etc. One of the most celebrated brands of ice cream such as Ben and Jerry's decided in their infinite corporate wisdom to choose such a name for an ice cream. Frankly, in the virgin sense, the name doesn't conjure up hateful memories of trauma like actions against its people but a reference of colors - black meaning the powerful, elegant, knowledge, mourning, penance, evil influences, while tan is more of a japanese dimunitive title or the color we get from being exposed to the sun..

In either case, history can bring forth some of the most elicit stereotypes that are a painful reminder to people of how things were. But these painful memories can be alleviated by not making such negative conotations and associations. I am sure that if B&J chose a name for its ice cream like dark and creme or shadow and angel or feces and urine (slang), it wouldn't have been so impactful.

In retrospect, we never really understand history, only the actions taken and the consequence. I do hope that in the future, leaders realize that posterity is more fashionable when the truth is told and not allow falsities to rule and divide one's constituents. Progress can only be made when there is a steady brain flow that is not encumbered by peoples seeking motives other than good will. Always remember, get your head out of the gutter a**holes...

BlackAndTanMan on 4/21/2006 07:18:00 PM said...

OMG....you people are whiny babies...STHU... I mean come on! It's named after a Drink...plus that crap happenned almost 100 years ago.... are you kidding me? You people are seriously wacked...actually, I am surprised they apologized...they should have told the whiners to go pound salt!

Anonymous said...

i think everybody should get a life and stop blogging about junk food. Nobody gives a shit about your opinions

Simon on 4/21/2006 07:21:00 PM said...

Do you hear everyone complaining and whining about the IRA (Cowards) in northern Ireland. Who are as bad as every other terrorist in the world... NO, YOU DON'T!!!!! So GROWN UP and quit your complaining!!!!

Yes you do actually.

Most Irish are not taking offence to it they just think it is very funny.

Anonymous said...

Is there no end to you bunch of whining pansies. It is embarrassing to me as an Irish American. First, none of you babies were alive in the 1920s. Secondly, it is not being released in Ireland. It is not the job of Ben and Jerry's to scour the earth for every remote possibility of offending somone where the product is not being sold. Get a life and stop crying.

Anonymous said...

You MF'ing Irish sh*tpigs...kiss my Italian Red, White and Blue ass. I just heard on ABC's World News Tonight that Ben and Jerry's was so horrified about the Black and Tan name, they changed the name and flavor to accomodate all the Mc's...it's now called VOMIT, in honor of your favorite national pastime. As I have always said, I might be drunk but thank god I'm not Irish!!!

JOHN GOTTI, JR.

Anonymous said...

To the person who left this unfortunate attempt at a post "To the person who left the anonymous comment on the 16th March. Being what ever generation Irish that you said you are i wouldnt expect you to understand how strongly Irish people feel on this subject. I am Irish and have lived in Dublin all my life. I have family that fought against the black & tans... and who died in the 1916 Rising. A little tackt goes along way, are you telling me if Ben & Jeerys launched a new Ice Cream called September 11th not one American person would be offended. Some people feel very strongly about there heritage, especially Irish people because we fought so hard for what we now have and the reason this wond is still pretty raw with alot of irish people is because this is still an issue in Northern Ireland. Life has moved on and grudges lost thank god but Irish people are still very proud of the men that fought for us! So thats the reason for thinking this new peoduct is in bad taste." To you I say that you might want to consider spending a LITTLE more time on spelling and grammar than you do on picking on a company because they came up with a name that happened to coincide with some army unit way back when. I also say that the person who brought up the fact that it's people like these who keep racial tension alive, YOU ARE CORRECT. If people spent more time worrying about real stuff, maybe this world would be a better place. You don't see latin people up in arms about the "Latino Style" Lays potato chips. That carries a LOT more weight than this RIDICULOUS opportunity to get offended because some company somewhere decided to name an ICE CREAM FLAVOR after some regimine whose members have been dead and buried for years!!! COME ON!!!

Anonymous said...

I'd like to think that the Irish from which I sprang are not as stupid as those complaining about the name of this ice cream.... in fact it seems that google doesn't even care about the name... doing a search for only "black and tan" came up with craploads of beer references... and even the widipedia listing had the british reference as a secondary.... Knowing that my heritage of drinkers should be smart enough to know that the ice cream with a hint of beer would be a no brainer... but who knows... damned ignorant Irish, I'm ashamed of you... must come from too much drinking

Maybe they can get all things black in the US, because it might have the word negro on it.... and it might offend someone :O

Anonymous said...

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still RETARDED!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Pleussseee as an Irish guy living in the states I always thought we Irish were above such sensitivity. The Irish have thrived on the undersdog/persecutuion status. You're telling me it's ok to order a black and tan drink but not name an ice cream. At a time when Ireland has finally embraced the 1916 rising lets not explode on every landmine out there. The comment that black and tan reminds irish immigrants of the RIC is laughable. Most immigrants have a limited knowledge of irish history and for sure most second third etc etc generations have no idea. If you don't like the ice cream just don't eat it.
Is mise le meas
Dubh agus Donn

Anonymous said...

Its ice cream, its comfort food at its best, a terrific new flavor.

Silly me, I always thought that black and tan was a type of dog(coonhound)or a mix of Guinesss and light beer.

This is taking political correctness too far, at this rate I would not be suprised if someone writes to the AKC(American Kennel Club) to complain about the name coonhound.

Anonymous said...

People - I never post to the
"poor white trash" blogs but I have a cold and have nothing better to do *like all of you.* If I were to go into a bar and yell to the bar tender for a Black and Tan, would this be considered offensive? Probably not, since I've done it before. Amazingly, I didn't get beat up by any "real" Irish people that surrounded me. Further more, it's frekin' ice cream. I hope Ben and Jerry's creates some "Jackass Ice Cream" named after all of you. Then you can Blog your asses off. Now go get a job...

Anonymous said...

Folks...there is one thing and one thing only to ponder in a situation like this:

WHAT WOULD CHUCK NORRIS DO???

Roundhouse kick to the head of Ireland, end of problem!

Anonymous said...

Anyone else think one day we will have to go back to the days of generic brands like when they were white or yellow and just said what they were. Seems the only way to avoid offending anyone. Just think about how easy it was then. "Cola", "Soap", "Crackers"......aw crap, never mind.

Anonymous said...

ThisIsPathetic.....

AMEN!!! And Thank YOU!!!!

getlivesyouidiots said...

The only reason that I happened across this website is because it was mentioned in the Yahoo article about the Black and Tan ice cream. I find it amusing that not only such a website exists, but that people actually think they are having intellectual conversations on it. It's ice cream, get over it. Realize that while you're writing on a JUNK FOOD BLOG, there are people with real lives and FRIENDS eating the ice cream and having fun. Why don't you all do the same. You worry about Ben and Jerry and I'll get back to a real BJ with a chick I met while your fat asses were writing about ICE CREAM. Losers.

Anonymous said...

Why should someone marketing a new product have to check with every culture in the world to see who might be offended??

sick of stupid idiots said...

I can't believe how everyone is blowing this up! It's just a name of an ice cream! Do people get made over vanilla? Ben & Jerry's is a wonderful company and I will try any new flavor they come out with! Americans are getting so upset over every little thing. Don't get mad over a name of an ice cream!! Most of the world never knew that name had some kind of background until someone made a fuss over it!! GET OVER IT!! Grip about something bigger!!!!

Anonymous said...

Volunteer - with stress like yours you will die early. I do not hear of any criticism when someone asks for a Black and Tan in a pub. They are of course asking for a GUINNESS! People like you are turning this world into a less fun place. Go live in a parallel universe away from us so we can enjoy the little bit of fun the world has left with all the crap going on around us.

Mark on 4/21/2006 07:55:00 PM said...

Heaven forbid that an ice cream company release a flavor that tastes like a Black & Tan, and actually name it based on that flavor!

Why aren't you poor, offended pogues protesting against bars and pubs who serve black & tans too?

Oh... right. Who's ever heard of an Irishman arguing against a drink. ;-)

(BTW, I am part Irish and can say that and still laugh. Don't worry, those of you over in Ireland, those of us over in the States will be glad to eat all that awful Ben & Jerry's ice cream for you...)

Anonymous said...

Give me a break! I ordered many of a black and tand at pubs in the USA! That is what they were thinking. People you need thicker skin! It was nammed after the drink!

Michael O'Toole said...

The hate-filled bigots or Ireland and the Irish who dwell on the affronts of their past history of losing, losing, losing, are no different from the hate-filled bigots of the South and their Confederacy and their "Lost Cause" which indeed lost, lost, lost. Those who can't get past a name for ice cream need psycho counseling. I do hope they get it, and the sooner the better it will be for the rest of us on this planet.

Anonymous said...

One it's just ice cream

two not all americans are ignorant, don't lump us all in one group

three we all don't support our government, Busch did not win by a land slide you know

Four if the rest of you americans who I would all ignorate ass holes keep calling Irish people winny babies, and morones and such you are just going to further prove the point a few poeple on here have maade about americans and make the rest of us non ignorant americans ashamed to even be american


IT IS ICE CREAM......

I also like the people tring to offened american with the 9/11 ice cream and such....lol yankee was a offensive tram for northerners in the US now we use the word all the time....if they named and ice cream 9/11 we would probably take it as a way to remember those who died through no fault of there own on that day.

Anonymous said...

The people that are bitching about the name of so damn ice cream are fat pigs that sit around and eat ALL DAY!! I never heard of what happened in the 1920's that idiot's are getting pissed about. All I have to say is, GET OVER IT FAT COWS!! If it's such a big deal, go the hell back home!!!

Michael said...

I was raised mostly in the vicinity of Lansing, MI, and there used to be a bar there called the Black and Tan. I've heard different accounts as to why it was called that, but most often I've heard it's because it was mostly blacks and Mexican-Americans who patronized it. I also have read where it was known for having a climate of racial mixing in general, before this was widely accepted. But you know I've never heard it was called the Black and Tan because of British Fascist Bullyboys! :P

Anonymous said...

the next time i'm in a bar i'll make sure that i don't order an irish car bomb, a black and tan, a kamikaze, a bloody mary, or anythingelse that might offend anybody. Is a black russian okay though? Dammit now i'm thirsty... growup. It's ice cream. I wouldn't have even known of this stuff's existence if i hadn't have seen it being debated on yahoo news. Get a life people it's not a big deal. Can I have some bubblegum ice cream? Or will that piss anybody off? Probably willy wonka.

open minded on 4/21/2006 08:18:00 PM said...

You people who are offended by the Black and Tan title are close-minded, idiots! You are looking way too much into this. Get a life. Are you being suppressed too like the African Americans? Get over it and move on.

signed,
an African-Irish american

Anonymous said...

you need to take a break folks. its a damn ale, and its even sold in ireland. its also used to refer to a type of coonhound.
the fact it means something you dont like does not mean crap, its not sold there.

Anonymous said...

I guess they should have called it niggers and spicks!

Anonymous said...

some one wrote. "BTW I am watching Lady and the Tramp with my daughter and I can't believe that Disney would be so insenitive to call a female dog a "tramp" I think they had an underlying motive:)"
um hello...tramp was the male dog. Lady was the girl.

david on 4/21/2006 08:24:00 PM said...
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david on 4/21/2006 08:30:00 PM said...

Here is what I have to say to you people who complain about the name Black and Tan.
You now live in America if you don't like the name Move your Butt back to Ireland! maybe they want offend you! Oh but wait you would lose the Freedoms That Living in
AMERICA gives you!! Grow up it is only a Name of an Ice Cream are you complaing about the Beer name too? Besides what you are complaining about is in the past GET OVER IT!!!

Anonymous said...

People are already pre-offended. That is how they come to associate these things.
In England you would think nothing of ordering a "Black-n-Tan".
It is a drink much like a "Light-n-Bitter"
Get a grip people!

Anonymous said...

C'mon - just chalk it up to American ignorance. Even those of us (myself among them) who think themselves more lofty and educated than our blue collar brothers are not aware of the implication and history here. We are however, quite well acquainted with the black and tan (guess we'll only refer to it as half and half from now on) - a refreshing blend of guinness and Bass (or Harp),which is generally purchased at any one of your favorite Irish pubs and were not aware of the negative associations. Ben & Jerry were cool, but they sold out too, so there's really no socially responsible entity there. aka - give a little leeway.

Cheers,
Charlie

Anonymous said...

Hey Buttheads, it's just a name. Give me a break. Have you heard of the beer "Black & Tan?" Why not whine about that too? Should we get rid of the rapper Redman because it offends Indians? Maybe saltines should be eliminated because "cracker" is derogatory to white people. Stop being retarded and go eat your ice cream.

Anonymous said...

Black & Tan?!?! The gall of Ben & Jerry, I bet they searched far and wide for a name that would offend tens of millions of people around the world! Now that I think of it, I want to start a campaign to bring down all of the corporate hate mongers. We can start by going after the bakeries that sell Black and White cookies. Obviously they are playing the race card. Then we can go after the maker of Cheese Nips, another company insensitive to the plight of Japanese Americans that were inturred (sp?) during WW2. After that we should all mob up against the makers of Spic and Span, obviously insensitive to the immigration issue in the US. Then we should all band against owners of Guinea pigs, that obviously feel some sort of superiority against Italians. I personally want to see the ruin of the companies that make saurkraut (sp?), unrepentant haters of Germans. We can finish off by uprising against Kite makers obviuosly a play on words to show their distain and dominance of people of Jewish ancestry. To some this all up, I think those that are truly offended by Black and Tan ice cream should stop acting like little babies, get a grip on your life and stop finding something to complain about. Go play checkers at the park or something else to show usefulness in life, perhaps making origami or something.

Anonymous said...

I don't know what you call "socially responsible", but Ben & Jerry's paid for a week of their corporate employees expenses to come and help us out here in New Orleans. Maybe someone should stop reading ancient history and look at current affairs. My 72 year old friend lost everything in his home during Katrina. I hadn't seen him smile much until the kids from B&J came and gutted his house for him. In my book that's social responsibilty real-time.

Anonymous said...

AND IF YOU READ CAREFULLY, ITS NOT CALLED "BLACK AND TANS", WHICH RELATES TO THE IRISH PARAMILITARY FORCE...BUT "BLACK & TAN"...TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

Anonymous said...

Ladies and Gentlemen,

It's ICE CREAM, not a social statement. I honestly doubt that Ben and Jerry, who are 60's hippies done good, were malicious and Anti-Irish in the naming process. I am sure both Ben and Jerry are sorry for the unfortunate naming but come on people. Be proud of your heritage, whatever it may be. Do not forget your heritage. But also be mature and reasonable when you choose to make inflammatory statements about someone.

Anonymous said...

Who really gives a shit? Black & Tan. Red & White! Green & Blue!

Anonymous said...

Black and Tan is popular here as well as the states. People who equate that 'Black and Tan' ice cream naming to 11 September should be ashamed. If I were an American I would be furious as those asinine comments. Pretty uneducated on the part of those persons...Ignorant bastards.

Anonymous said...

Born in Ireland and living in the U.S. I take pride in knowing my family fought in just about every bloody war I can think of for just about every country since the 1600's. I also take pride in the fact that being Irish lets me laugh at everyone from every country including myself and my countrymen.

It wasn't bad enough it has taken us Irish forever to resolve the issue between the orange and the green. Now we have to fight over the name of an ice cream flavor. Oh well, put two irish together they will argue over the color of the sky, beat each other bloody, share a few pints and not remember what it was all about in the morning and their grandchildren will still fight over it years later. That, or they will be best mates forever.

I for one don't care what you call the drink or the ice cream. I like stout and I like ice cream and I like lots of both. So call me what you want. I have thick skin, a fantastic sense of humor, and a strong right.

The dreaded Black & Tans, defilers of women, children, small farm animals, and all true Irish, are now relegated to history along with Tuti Fruit, RockyRoad, and Chunky Monkey. Let the Ulstermen wave that around as they parade.

Let's keep ice cream just ice cream call it what you want I'll still eat it. However, when you get a spin doctor, hack reporter twisting it into a story designed to throw salt into old wounds and improve ratings of his no talent news show, it loses all its flavor.

Anonymous said...

Politically Incorrect Ice Cream thru the ages:

-Chocolate: Racist
-Vanilla: Racist
-Strawberry: Homophobic
-Rocky Road: Hate driven
-Peanut Butter swirl: Racist
-Peaches and Cream: Pornographic

Anything else stupid you'd like to argue?!?!

Dennis on 4/21/2006 09:16:00 PM said...

When I read that B&J (suprised that doesn't offent people) named it black and brown, I thought the blacks and Mexicans were rising up. Never even heard of the drink, let alone the army. I think there is a drink called za shotgun, and my great-great-great cousin on my sister-in-law's side was killed by a shotgun, so it is time for an uprising. How could they be so rude. Idiots!

jacob daniel said...

leatherbys ice cream parlor has a a desert named the black and tan. because it has chocolate and toasted almond. black and tan. weird. naming something after what it is.

Anonymous said...

In light of the Black and Tan incident, Ben and Jerry's has decided to come up with a new ice cream name for a upcoming release.

The new flavor is called:
'Short-penised-freckled-pasty bastard'

The management sincerely hopes that no one is offended by the new name.

Thank you.

david on 4/21/2006 09:23:00 PM said...

Twin Towers Cherry Explosion or a Oklahoma Orange Suprise! I have to say We Americans might even make it a way to remember the Hero's out of it! It would not Offend me at all if they Named it 9/11 either, it is a way to remember my fallin Buddies of the Firedept. By the way they already have a Cherry Explosion ice pop out!

Xtrane said...

For all of you who think this is a bad thing - GROW UP! You are the ones who keep predjudice thinking alive. We all know since it is made with a stout flavor it represents Guiness and Bass or Harp - a mixture of an Irish and English beers. If you think it is any more than that you are STUPID and are looking for nothing more than some reason to be bitter and start a fight about it!!!

Anonymous said...

Ben and Jerry's is coming out with offensive ice cream flavors for all cultures as not to single out one race.

Stay tuned....

Anonymous said...

To the poster that would suggest that calling some ice cream a "September 11th" would cause a stir I would suggest you use some intelligence. The black and tan is a well-known drink. It is also an unfortunate political incident. It has a DUAL meaning. A September 11th would have virtually no other meaning other than a celebration of an unfortunate event. The next time you feel like making an analogy at least take the effort to think it out rather than blurt out some knee-jerk response. And if you insist on being insulted then there are plenty of other things to be insulted about in life rather than a naming of a product that COULD be taken to mean something else but is not intended that way.
And on the knee jerk response, I feel I must respond in kind.

Are you sure you aren't American? There are plenty of overly sensitive, everything offends me types over here. I thought they made them of stronger stuff in Ireland?

Anonymous said...

Hey Simon,

Why don't you work on your grammar and spelling and spend less time on your hatred.

'An American thing to do'?!?!

I guess helping Ireland's economy rise from the level it was 13 years ago to what it is now with the influx of jobs and industry is also 'An American to do'.

RetCombatVet on 4/21/2006 09:41:00 PM said...

For those people who are complaining about Ben & Jerry's new ice cream flavor, "Black and Tan", waaaah. To think that you would dishonor your ancestry and the memories of all those who were abused by the British militia, "The Black and Tans". Taking any tragedies and abuses caused by the militia and nullifying the victims' pain by comparing it to ice cream?!?!?!? COME ON! Why would anyone be so insensitive and stupid? Is it ignorance? Can you honestly tell me that you can't tell the difference between militia men and the cows THAT ARE OBVIOUSLY PRINTED ON THE LABEL OF THE ICE CREAM?!?!?!? Are there any British flags on the ice cream? Is there a picture of Her Majesty taking a "dump" on any Irish emblem? Why would any sane person believe that this is a "political treat"? Oh, and unlike a bunch of you silly idiots, I have the guts to post my email address for you to write me. Grow up Mr. or Mrs. (or Miss) Anonymous. Nice to hide in the shadows like a coward, right?
Take it from a Retired Combat Vet, you don't have any right to complain about something so silly. You obviously haven't served and don't know what it is to defend freedom and the liberties of others. Cry quietly to yourself.
Here's my email address, you cowards. Hensley144@hotmail.com Cry on. Cry on.

Mike said...

Quit your crying people!! It's just ice cream. Who gives a rats ass about BLACK and TAN? I thought it was a beer. People are so damn hung up on offending people in this country. GET A LIFE..

Stoutman74 on 4/21/2006 10:02:00 PM said...

Just to straighten something out...
Beer ingredients:
Black and Tan- Stout (Guinness) and Ale (Bass)

Half and Half- Stout (Guinness) and Lager (Harp)

Anonymous said...

my first thought was the ale too since my husband drinks it. if you must make a mountain out of a mole hill find a better cause. HOWEVER i am surprised that a racial thing was not made of this, or i may have spoke too soon. i understand the real seriousness of the black and tan but i think its how its meant and it was not meant to be taken the way it is, which in my opinion means that if you take something out of context the problem is yours.

ALSO i dont see the ALE offending any irish people or anyone else.........why is that????? same name given to alcohol that can damage your liver.......so i guess its ok to damage your liver off the stuff but not get fat from something else of the same name?? (BIG EYEROLL)

Anonymous said...

RightO, its named after the stout you sissy buggers!
Nobody boycotting the beer are they?

DarkWatch44 said...

My family is from Ireland and Scotland. I am not offended by the ice creams name. I AM offended by the Irish who are so thin skinned as to drag us into a discussion over something this idiotic. I am embarrassed that there are Irish who would cry over something so assinine. The world needs more people like Ben and Jerry, they are great people who do a lot of good with their money. The world needs less crybabies who are offended at the drop of a hat... People are dying in conflicts all over the world and you cry about an ice cream flavor and a conflict almost 100 years old? Saints preserve us...

Anonymous said...

I am with Mike! And I'm IRISH!! People in this world would go insane if they didn't have something to b***h about! If you don't like something, whether it's on tv, the radio, or a product - change the channel, change the station, or DON'T BUY IT!!

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with DarkWatch44 and others like him/her. There are people starving, dying, and otherwise suffering all over the world. It just kills me what gets people fired up these days... things that simply do NOT matter! If you have such strong feelings, go out and do the world some good with those feelings. Don't sit around complaining about something as trivial as an ice cream name.
In addition, this ice cream is being sold in the US only. I wasn't aware we had to get approval from the Irish as to what we name our products. Mind your own business and these things won't get to you.

Anonymous said...

You've got to be kidding me. Complaining about the name of an ice cream flavor?! What do you do with your lives?!

Anonymous said...

I highly doubt that the people at B&J really thought, hey let's offend some people by naming our new ice cream Black and Tan. I am actually more offened by Chunky Monkey as I am a member of PETA and believe that this makes fun of fat monkeys (they have feelings too).

Anonymous said...

I just don’t understand what people are getting upset about. Instead of thinking the worst (Ben and Jerry are a couple of British Loyal Subjects out to promote their political agenda that they are anti Irish) they should take a second to visit their website and see just what the company is about, an excerpt from their mission statement page “Our focus is on children and families, the environment and sustainable agriculture on family farms.”

It is common knowledge to most drinkers of alcohol that a black and tan is a beer combination of equal parts stout and porter, most commonly Bass Pale Ale and Guinness. (It’s very tasty with no anti Irish after taste) there is also at least one premixed Black and Tan I believe produced by Michelob. Have you ever known a couple that thrived on conflict, well to me the people who are getting their panties in a bunch over the name of this ice-cream are very similar, I think the term is drama queen. Now that said, I am in now way mitigating any acts that the Royal Irish Constabulary Reserve Force perpetrated against the Irish. That should not be belittled but, clearly there is no connection between that and the name of the ice cream, nuf said. Now let’s pick on someone worthy like President Bush ;)

grenx1 on 4/21/2006 10:40:00 PM said...

While I can see how anyone in the know might find some problem with the name 'Black & Tan' for this Ice Cream, I beg you to walk into any bar (at least here, Stateside, where the confection is marketed) and ask for a Black & Tan... you'll get a drink, half Guinness-half Bass. Take it in context and get a life. It's a name, and the intent, I'm sure, was anything but injurious. Hmph! Whoever thought the Irish (of which I share heritage) would start playing the PC game? I was hoping people had more sense than that.

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Anonymous said...

I bet the "volunteer" who posted this comment is the author of this website trying to create controversy and suckering people into wasting their time with meanginless posts. If this is not the case, my apologies to the author of this site, and to the pathetic soul who posted the original comment.

Anonymous said...

Black & Tan could also be a reference to an interracial union

Anonymous said...

First off, let me say that I am IRISH AND PROUD OF IT!!

To the idiot who said "Oh, sure. Ben & Jerry's is notoriously anti-Irish. All you have to do is unscramble the names of many of their other flavors of ice cream and see how they hate. Everyone knows that. Cherry Garcia, unscrambled and with simple letter substitution really says 'screw the potato eaters' and they don't mean the Van Gogh painting."

If you add and move letters, of course you can get sentances like that. I could take any word in the dictionary and add, subtract or move letters to make it say anything I want it to say! For instance, Vannila Bean, "unscrambled and with simple letter substitution really says" 'beaners are villains'. Get my point???

Get a life and while you are at it GET A BRAIN!

***The comments in this post about B&J, Irish, and hispanic people are NOT my views. I was merely giving an example and it was the most ludicrous - yet equally so to the original comment - example I could come up with. No offense was meant to anyone (except the moron who wrote the other message)!

Anonymous said...

I am with the PETA member, those poor offended monkeys! Let's fight for them! :-)

I am also with the people who are saying "IT'S ICE CREAM!" Why get all pissed off over something so STUPID! It's disturbing to see so many people take a stand on ice cream when there are people dying all over the world because of starvation, and there are children being abused. I mean, come on, let's fight for something that ACTUALLY MATTERS!!

Anonymous said...

PATHETIC, THERE IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEBODU IN THIS POLITICALLY CORRECT WORLD THAT WILL BE SENSITIVE TO SOMETHING, SO WHY DONT YOU GO AND LIVE ON AN ISLAND ALONE. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THE ONES WHO ARE COMPLAINING ARE THE ONES TO CLAIM, THIER UNCLE OR SISTER OR GRANDMOTHER WAS KILLED OR RAPED BY SOMEONE IN THE BLACK AN TANS. MY ARSE, GET OVER IT, MOVE ON AND IF YOU TRULY ARE IRISH THEN FORGIVE YOU EEJITS. FINALLY CAN I SAY, LETS START A CAMPAIGN AGAINST POLITICAL CORRECTNESS, IT REALLY IS DESTROYING THIS BEAUTIFUL WORLD WE LIVE IN, WHERE WILL IT ALL END, LETS GET BACK TO COMMON SENSE. REMEMBER FOLFS, ITS A F**KING ICE CREAM, NOT WORLD WAR 3.

Anonymous said...

alright first of all, to the PETA member. I hope you realize that you fund a terrorist group directly as your tax returns from 1997 show. Also, that same year, you took in over 2000 animals, and euthanised over 3 quarters of them. The vp of your organization uses insulin for diabetes, but that was created from testing on dogs.... hmmm hypocrite. so let chunky monkey fly, if i ever see a fat monkey at the zoo, i will laugh. because if monkeys are to be free in NY they have rights and responsibilites, and that means they would be arrested for indescent exposure. As for the person that said if September 11th was a flavor would i eat it? The answer is yes, if I enjoyed the flavor of rubble. Black and Tan is a clear reference to the drink, there is a picture of it on the box. However, it is an unfortunate name and was removed once the mistake was realizen. To start throwing retoric out there about anything is easy. It doesn't mean it is true. Eat some chuncky monkey with our uninformed PETA friend, and keep your mouth quiet.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous who posted at 11:11:05 on 4/21:

The PETA member was KIDDING about Chunky Monkey! She/he was making a point.

Anonymous said...

Save your temper, dear Irish friends, for those who choose to actually insult you on purpose. You know who I mean.

Ben and Jerry just wants to sell ice cream. Black and Tan are just two standard everyday colors and thats all they are to them. I'm sure those militia bastards are all dead now anyway. If we made a list of forbidden product names, I am sure every country and every person would be ofended by something.

Hey, we Americans insisted on calling a car the Ford PROBE, a very embarassing name for alien abductees and ladies why gynocologist appointments! It does not mean anything, you know.

I hope you are not insulted if I wear black pants and a tan or brown shirt? Do you think Americans don't buy red wine because of the Soviet Union? Don't go looking for a fight where there is no more than a misunderstanding. Life is too short and we love

Anonymous said...

As being an American who's family is both Irish & Scot, I find it pretty funny how petty and small minded people are to take such offense to Ben & Jerry's labeling of the Black & Tan ice cream. There is no connotation in the States that this means anything of ill will. Perhaps the Irish should start thinking about the present day and future instead of wallowing in beer at the local pub reflecting on their past. The Brits and Scots do this too, boozing it up at 12 noon. What a sad way for such once great countries to end it. This simple-mindedness is why so many Cats and Prots can't live well together. And don't give me that stuff that things are too complicated for us Yanks to understand - it's false hubris.

Anonymous said...

listen you american wankers have no idea of life outside your own little country. you think that everyone should listen to the great Uncle Sam...BULLSHIT..you are a bunch of self obssesed tossers...stop sticking your fucking nose into other peoples business and let the world get on with there lives..as for the ice cream name would you like a Twin Towers Cherry Explosion or a Oklahoma Orange Suprise no so FUCK OFF...

By Anonymous, at 4/21/2006 05:10:20 PM

As for our lack of knowledge about the rest of the world, how about a little knowledge for you. During the potatoe famine where did all the Irish go? Ah yes, they all ended up here to plague America. With no money and few prospects, many Irishmen turned to a life of crime. The first gangs had colorful nicknames like the "The Forty Thieves," "The Dead Rabbit Gang," and the "Plug Uglies." Corrupt politicians quickly learned that they could control blocks of voters—and elections—by buying gang support. Tammany Hall built its strength on the muscle of the Irish gangs. So take some history lessons yourself.. And yer mother should have a retroactive abortion so we should be rid of the likes of you.

It's Ice Cream!!! Not a political Agenda. Efin idjit

Anonymous said...

PETA - don't get me started. I was a former member. Published documents show letters that even some of the animals they rescue have to be killed. It's been proven that their main HQ has a walk-in refrigerator to keep the euthanized animals that they put down until they get cremated. YES! PETA euthanizes 65% of the animals they so-called "rescue". Much more than they let on to members and over par with most animal shelters. But apparently, the local animal shelters are protested, burned and their workers are harassed for doing the same thing. PETA is a big business now - they make money getting their members as upset as possible so that they will donate. BLANK the skull of PETA for manipulating their members so much!

John said...

I totally agree with the Irish comment. I wrote them this:
I saw that Ben and Jerry's just recently introduced the "Black and Tan" flavor. You (the managers) may not be aware of the implications of that name. The Black and Tans, during the Anglo-Irish War (1919-1929) were a British paramilitary force trying to continue British and Protestant oppression of Ireland. This group committed a series of terrorist attacks, shot prisoners, pretended to surrender and then shot their captors.
I personally take offense because some Black and Tans executed members of my extended family--men, women, and children--in the middle of their village without cause. I suspect many others have similiar stories.
I generally hate 'PCness', but to name a flavor after a cruel, cowardly, often terrorist force is sickening. Please, halt production of this flavor.
If you don't get rid of it, perhaps your next flavor could be called "Hezbolla Surpise!"

Anonymous said...

To John (4/21 at 11:54pm):

One word: DUMBASS!

Black & Tan (not The Black and Tans!) was named after a DRINK not a terrorist group!!!!

Anonymous said...

To John:

Why don't you protest St. James' Brewery for marketing "Black & Tan" that we see in all of the pubs in the States?

What? Is it OK for an Irish company to make profit from those words but no one else? Or are you being a douchebag like most of your ancestors?

Anonymous said...

So what is a guiness with bass or harp called in Ireland?

Catherine said...

"Try a google search for "black and tan". What is the first entry? Gee, isn't that a page sponsored by the national beer of Ireland?"
(By Anonymous, at 4/21/2006 04:38:40 PM)

No, it's not. Guinness don't sell or market 'Black and Tans' and to be honest, if you were to order one here the reaction would more than likely be one of horror that you'd ruin a perfectly decent pint, rather than outrage at the name.

Funnily enough, I've only heard about a) the ice-cream and b) our supposed outrage through the British and US media, telling us how we're 'up in arms'. No one has a problem with it just being called Black and Tan after some American drink or how it looks: B&J are the ones who went and launched it in celebration of celebration of the Irish national holiday. Which, it has to be admitted, is pretty incongruous.

Anonymous said...

I am Irish, and I was offended.

Thy essential point is that the murderous "Black and Tans" were named that by the Irish as a sarcastic name some 30 years after the name of the drink became popular.The person who insulted Irish intelligence might like to look that up (or have his mommy do it, if he is too young to go to the library on his own).

I am sure offence was not intended by Ben and Jerry's who have a very good reputation here in Ireland. An apology was probably not necessary, as long as the drink was withdrawn.

What I am really offended by is the visceral nature of some postings, mostly from American based people, who don't seem to realise that the "Black and Tans" caused absolute terror in Ireland, and that people who were caught up in that are still some of them alive. Rapes, Murder and mayhem like that are not easily forgotten.

So cut us a little slack, and let's all forget about it.

Keith said...

PEOPLE - Every Irish Bar/Pub/Restaurant in America serves the "Black & Tan" drink. They should also now sell the "Black & Tan" beer drink. There is just no justification for the first poster being offended. Its all in his own head. Anyone can be offended by anything depending on their own baggage. Apparently this guy is looking for someone to be pissed at for his life.

As for a September 11 food item, I would question that, but if it were a 911 food item, so named because it was really hot or something I wouldn't because 911 has been a standing emergency number for decades. "Black & Tan" has not been only a reference to rogue British soldiers. For goodness sake, I have a "Black & Tan" coonhound. That is her official designation by the AKC.

You've had your cry; You've got your apology; Now buy some ice-cream and enjoy the sweet life.

Anonymous said...

Oh dear oh dear oh dear....what a pathetic bunch or whingers....Do they honestly think that Ben & Jerry really meant to upset people....Good God, they make ice cream....the biggest comfort food on the planet!!

Mind you, the only way to put the mindless brutality of history into context is to make a joke about it! Do you really think that Adolph would have got anywhere if Ben & Jerry had been around and brought out a flavour called "NUTS & NAZIS".....by the same token I suggest they bring out one called "MACAROONS & MARTYRS" and sell it to the Muslims whilst at the same time bringing out one called "CHERRY DEMOCRACY BOMBER" and send a free crate to the White House and Downing Street.....all profits can then go to the countries that we insist on blowing to bits in the name of democracy.......Joking aside...that actually might be quite a good idea....would certainly get some press coverage and might actually make a difference....Imagine trying to swallow a mouthful of CDB watching Sky News!!! Now that would make you think.......

Anonymous said...

Heck, I guess next time I go in a pub, or Ben and Jerry's for that matter, I should be ordering an Ebony and Tan. I naturally think about oppressive bodies/lackies when I order ice cream. Hmmm, looks like someone is more concerned about trivial, unintended offenses rather than working to build their economy and infrastructure.

laf on 4/22/2006 06:06:00 AM said...

I wonder if anyone has gathered that it's now 2006, not 1920.

Anonymous said...

In 1920, the British government attempted to solve the Irish question by passing legislation partitioning Ireland and granting it limited self-government. It believed – wrongly - that this would satisfy the majority of Irish nationalists. Meanwhile, it had responded to the Irish Republican Army’s developing physical force campaign with repression. Westminster underestimated how difficult it would be to defeat the volunteers; it regarded their actions as terrorism, not war, and so relied mainly on the police force to restore order. It considered that to deploy troops in peacetime would arouse criticism in Britain. Gradually the level of its coercion in Ireland increased. Overall, this policy was self-defeating. It proved unable to suppress the IRA, yet alienated Irish opinion whilst the British public came to regard it as excessive and unacceptable.

From the outset, the IRA campaign was mainly directed against the Royal Irish Constabulary – by June 1920, 55 policemen had been killed, 16 barracks destroyed and hundreds abandoned. As a result its conviction rates, recruitment levels and morale, all fell sharply. In response, the British government initiated changes (autumn 1919), which in effect transformed the force into an auxiliary army, by equipping it with motor vehicles, rockets, bombs and shotguns. By January 1920, Westminster felt compelled to take more drastic action. It launched a recruitment drive in England to attract ex-soldiers to join a new force, soon nicknamed the ‘Black and Tans’ owing to the distinctive uniforms its members were initially issued with. It eventually numbered about 10,000 and quickly acquired an unenviable reputation for ill-discipline. Owing to the urgent need for men, selection procedures had been increasingly relaxed. Some of those who enlisted had been brutalised by war: almost all were ignorant of Ireland and ill-trained. Moreover, they were attached to scattered RICA barracks, mainly in the south west, under no effective control from police or army officers.

As the IRA campaign intensified, the government responded in July 1920 by establishing a second force, the Auxiliaries. They were better-paid and recruited from demobilised army officers. Eventually 1,900 men were enlisted and these were divided into 15 heavily armed and mobile companies, and deployed in the ten Irish counties where the IRA was most active. But, like the Black and Tans, its members were also ill-trained for guerrilla warfare, and knew little of Ireland. Though under nominal RICA control, they generally operated independently and they also established a reputation for drunkenness and brutality. Meanwhile, during 1920, troop numbers in Ireland were steadily increased and their powers extended. In August, they were empowered to intern citizens without trial and court-martial those suspected of political offences.

Despite these reinforcements, police frustration and the strain resulting from the persistence and virulence of the IRA campaign, led to them conducting ‘unofficial reprisals’. These ranged from assaults on IRA suspects and supporters, occasionally causing death, to the sacking of towns, such as Limerick and Balbriggan. They were condoned by police officers and ignored by the government as they helped sustain the force’s fragile morale, and facilitated the gathering of intelligence. The price however was the alienation of public opinion, both in Ireland and in Britain.

The worst reprisals occurred during the crescendo of terror and counter-terror in October 1920. On 21st November, ‘Bloody Sunday’, IRA agents gunned down 19 suspected Army intelligence officers in Dublin. Later that day, Auxiliaries who were despatched to a football match at Croke Park to search for wanted men, fired indiscriminately into the crowd, causing 12 deaths and wounding 65. On 9th December, two lorries transporting Auxiliaries were ambushed by an IRA ‘flying column’ in County Cork, killing all but one of the occupants. Two days later their Auxiliary colleagues, along with Black and Tans, entered Cork and sacked and burnt part of the city centre. Reluctantly, the British government was thus compelled to declare martial law over much of south-west Ireland. Later it sanctioned ‘official reprisals’; if an IRA ‘outrage’ occurred, troops were given authority to blow up the property of those suspected of involvement.

By mid-1921 the British government had become more amenable to a political settlement with the IRA. In two and a half years over 1,300 people had died in the conflict (550 of them troops and police), yet military victory still seemed a remote and uncertain prospect. The British public would not accept the further repressive measures thought necessary to achieve it, was increasingly critical of those already taken and desired peace – though not at any price.

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